The Trouble With WOIIFTM......

[The old geezer]

.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED! What kid is gonna buy some cd
by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!

Listen...if you were a teenager around 1968 would you have bought a
record by some guy recorded back in 1930!! Cole Porter? George
Gershwin? I think not!!!

Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.

Oh, sure....some "intellectual" type teenage nerd might pick up one of
his cds every once in a while to listen to them because of the bizarre
album cover, but it'll never be played when his friends come over or at
a swingin' teen-age party.

Zappa is in the past & the ZFT ain't helpin' the situation any.

I wuz in Target the other day & there were hundreds of Jimi Hendrix &
Pink Floyd t-shirts for sale! WHY NOT ZAPPA Shirts??

ZFT missed the Boat to keep Zappa alive as did FZ himself writing
"topical" humor tunes that would be outdated within a few years.

Just watch....the FZ catalog will slowly start dwindling away & before
one knows it only the "FZ Best of..." cd will be available!

Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Enjoy the music while you can..............

The old geezer

NP: Cooking With Lasers - The Baldwin Brothers

[Frunobulax]

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Who shops for music at Target or K-mart?

[Mike Espinoza]

Post by Frunobulax

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Who shops for music at Target or K-mart?

Old geezers.

<rimshot>

Don't forget to tip your waitress.

--
Mike E.

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

Post by Mike Espinoza
Don't forget to tip your waitress.

She's no fun, she fell right over.

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

[John Henley]

Post by Biffy the Elephant Shrew

Post by Mike Espinoza
Don't forget to tip your waitress.

She's no fun, she fell right over.

Splatt.

JH

[The old geezer]

From: "Frunobulax"

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Who shops for music at Target or K-mart ?

The masses......

[Michael Gula]

Post by The old geezer
From: "Frunobulax"

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Who shops for music at Target or K-mart ?
The masses......

are asses.

[Bill]

Post by Michael Gula

Post by The old geezer
From: "Frunobulax"

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...

Who shops for music at Target or K-mart ?
The masses......

are asses.

I bought Freak Out at KMart for $5 in 1975.

[Frunobulax]

Post by Bill
I bought Freak Out at KMart for $5 in 1975.

Super!

cae

NP: Don't Worry About the Government - Talking Heads

[Les Cargill]

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED! What kid is gonna buy some cd
by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!
Listen...if you were a teenager around 1968 would you have bought a
record by some guy recorded back in 1930!! Cole Porter? George
Gershwin? I think not!!!

I think so, actually. But I wasn't a teenager in '68, so....
but when I was a teenager, I listened to old musical
soundtracks and old jazz and stuff.

Post by The old geezer
Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.

That's mostly true. I don't think it's possible to explain it
to most kids. You kinda hadda be there - aren't all the inside
jokes sorta the point?

Post by The old geezer
Oh, sure....some "intellectual" type teenage nerd might pick up one of
his cds every once in a while to listen to them because of the bizarre
album cover, but it'll never be played when his friends come over or at
a swingin' teen-age party.

You forget that there are still nerds who go "Hey! That's
in 17/8" out there.

Post by The old geezer
Zappa is in the past & the ZFT ain't helpin' the situation any.

I think they';re probably right, from a market perspective.

Post by The old geezer
I wuz in Target the other day & there were hundreds of Jimi Hendrix &
Pink Floyd t-shirts for sale! WHY NOT ZAPPA Shirts??

Yer Mom'd roll her eyes at Floyd/Hendrix/Zeppelin.

She's a-throw out the Zappa, you betcha.

Post by The old geezer
ZFT missed the Boat to keep Zappa alive as did FZ himself writing
"topical" humor tunes that would be outdated within a few years.
Just watch....the FZ catalog will slowly start dwindling away & before
one knows it only the "FZ Best of..." cd will be available!

Shouldn't this already have happened, then?

Post by The old geezer
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...
Enjoy the music while you can..............

Joe's.... getting .... tired... now....

Post by The old geezer
The old geezer
NP: Cooking With Lasers - The Baldwin Brothers

--
Les Cargill

[The old geezer]

I think so, actually. But I wasn't a teenager in '68, so....
but when I was a teenager, I listened to old musical
soundtracks and old jazz and stuff.......

That makes you the *exception*....

TOG

[Dan Rowan]

Post by Les Cargill
I think so, actually. But I wasn't a teenager in '68, so....
but when I was a teenager, I listened to old musical
soundtracks and old jazz and stuff.......
That makes you the *exception*....
TOG

Not necessarily. I was first exposed to Zappa in '75 when I was 15
(Fillmore East and Bongo Fury), and I've been hooked ever since. I also
listen to alot of other music written by a bunch of dead people a long
time ago. While the topical humor may seem dated at times, a little
research and some concentration are the only things required in order to
get the gist of things. Besides, things aren't all that different now
from the way they were then.

Dan :)

[Manzini]

nah man i don't think it's that true, I'm 18, and i've bought zappa albums
(roxy, WOIIFTM, bongo fury, OSFA, hot rats, absolutely free, sheik yerbouti,
apostrophe) for afew friends and they love them. I only recently got into
zappa myself (january) and i'm not a nerd (but i've got about 30 of his
discs). I like zappa because no one that i've heard these days does the
kinda stuff he does and that's why my friends like him aswell...also coz
hardly anyone these days knows him...and there's SOOOO MUCH of his stuff to
have, no one these days could pump out as many albums as zappa did, unless
it's some concert series like the who did in 2004 but that doesn't really
count does it?

- Michael

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED! What kid is gonna buy some cd
by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!
Listen...if you were a teenager around 1968 would you have bought a
record by some guy recorded back in 1930!! Cole Porter? George
Gershwin? I think not!!!
Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.
Oh, sure....some "intellectual" type teenage nerd might pick up one of
his cds every once in a while to listen to them because of the bizarre
album cover, but it'll never be played when his friends come over or at
a swingin' teen-age party.
Zappa is in the past & the ZFT ain't helpin' the situation any.
I wuz in Target the other day & there were hundreds of Jimi Hendrix &
Pink Floyd t-shirts for sale! WHY NOT ZAPPA Shirts??
ZFT missed the Boat to keep Zappa alive as did FZ himself writing
"topical" humor tunes that would be outdated within a few years.
Just watch....the FZ catalog will slowly start dwindling away & before
one knows it only the "FZ Best of..." cd will be available!
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...
Enjoy the music while you can..............
The old geezer
NP: Cooking With Lasers - The Baldwin Brothers

[Amlyn]

Post by The old geezer
Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.

I'm 34...

[The old geezer]

Now u r 48!!!

[^^indifference^^]

Post by The old geezer
Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.

Heh heh.

Post by The old geezer
Oh, sure....some "intellectual" type teenage nerd might pick up one of
his cds every once in a while to listen to them because of the bizarre
album cover, but it'll never be played when his friends come over or at
a swingin' teen-age party.

Zappa is great party music (most of it, if you know what I mean and I think
you do). Zappa and Iggy Pop and PBR is a party.

Post by The old geezer
Enjoy the music while you can..............

Is that a threat of some kind?

Post by The old geezer
The old geezer
NP: Cooking With Lasers - The Baldwin Brothers

Whoz the Baldwin Bros?

[tactic]

the kids in my family (15, 19, 21, 28)
all own zappa records,
go to zappamusic performances
and attended the zappanale several times,...

i think you is wrong geezer
--
http://tinyurl.com/4s74f

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED! What kid is gonna buy some cd
by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!
Listen...if you were a teenager around 1968 would you have bought a
record by some guy recorded back in 1930!! Cole Porter? George
Gershwin? I think not!!!
Frank Zappa is only remembered by a buncha old geezers & burn-outs over
50 years of age.
Oh, sure....some "intellectual" type teenage nerd might pick up one of
his cds every once in a while to listen to them because of the bizarre
album cover, but it'll never be played when his friends come over or at
a swingin' teen-age party.
Zappa is in the past & the ZFT ain't helpin' the situation any.
I wuz in Target the other day & there were hundreds of Jimi Hendrix &
Pink Floyd t-shirts for sale! WHY NOT ZAPPA Shirts??
ZFT missed the Boat to keep Zappa alive as did FZ himself writing
"topical" humor tunes that would be outdated within a few years.
Just watch....the FZ catalog will slowly start dwindling away & before
one knows it only the "FZ Best of..." cd will be available!
Try & find a FZ cd at Target of K-mart...
Enjoy the music while you can..............
The old geezer
NP: Cooking With Lasers - The Baldwin Brothers

[Charles Ulrich]

Post by tactic
the kids in my family (15, 19, 21, 28)
all own zappa records,
go to zappamusic performances
and attended the zappanale several times,...

When the Grande Mothers played at the folk festival, my stepdaughter
identified Watermelon In Easter Hay before the guitar started playing.

Two of her twenty-something friends (not previously exposed to Zappa
music) sat through the show. At least one of them was very impressed.

--Charles

[Little Buddy Ray]

Post by Charles Ulrich

Post by tactic
the kids in my family (15, 19, 21, 28)
all own zappa records,
go to zappamusic performances
and attended the zappanale several times,...

When the Grande Mothers played at the folk festival, my stepdaughter
identified Watermelon In Easter Hay before the guitar started playing.
Two of her twenty-something friends (not previously exposed to Zappa
music) sat through the show. At least one of them was very impressed.
--Charles

My 14 year old daughter loved every minute of the Grande Mothers'
show, and my 15 year old nephew's favorite CD is Sheik Yerbouti. There
is hope for our planet's future.

[The old geezer]

O.K. So we have a dozen "young people"...ages 15 to 34 ....who will
"listen" to FZ's music on occasion.

How many people are there on this planet at the moment???

When is the last time you heard a FZ tune on the radio....& I mean a
REAL radio station, not some 50 watt college radio station.

Besides, during President Dick Cheney's second term in 2013 FZ's music
will be declared "unfit for the masses" & delclared illegal!!!

The old geezer

NP: Having A Wild Weekend - The Dave Clark 5

[Charles Ulrich]

Post by The old geezer
O.K. So we have a dozen "young people"...ages 15 to 34 ....who will
"listen" to FZ's music on occasion.
How many people are there on this planet at the moment???

That's the wrong question. How many young people are the denizens of
this newsgroup personally acquainted with?

The twenty-somethings I mentioned in my previous post are virtually the
only people of that age group about whose musical tastes I know anything
at all.

Post by The old geezer
When is the last time you heard a FZ tune on the radio....& I mean a
REAL radio station, not some 50 watt college radio station.

Three months ago I heard many FZ songs on a radio station whose signal
was able to reach me from three thousand miles (and a few kilometers)
away.

--Charles

[Ryan Davenport]

....

Post by Charles Ulrich

Post by The old geezer
When is the last time you heard a FZ tune on the radio....& I mean a
REAL radio station, not some 50 watt college radio station.

Three months ago I heard many FZ songs on a radio station whose signal
was able to reach me from three thousand miles (and a few kilometers)
away.

CKUA radio recently played a 10-part series of Zappa shows. The
shows weren't perfect (eg "Trouble Comin' Every Day" was said to be
about the Vietnam War), but they served their purpose. From
http://www.ckua.com -

-----

Alpha Beta Zappa aired December 8th, 2004 to February 9th, 2005. The
series explored the music of American composer and musician Frank
Vincent Zappa whose musical career was sadly cut short on December 4th,
1993 after nearly 40 years of prolific composition and performances.

Host Ron Maltin states, "This radio series is my personal take on the
career and music of Frank Zappa. Rather than make this project an
autobiographical tome, I will offer a compendium of Frank's works that
will highlight the diversity, complexity and dedication that he offered
to the world of modern music."

Schedule:

Program #1: The Introduction (Dec 8, 2004)

Program #2: Frank With Strings Attached (Dec 15, 2004)

Program #3: Go Western, Young Frank (Dec 22, 2004)

Program #4: Frank’s Family Albums (Dec 29, 2004)

Program #5: Jazz It Up, Frank (January 5, 2005)

Program #6: Frankly Orchestral (January 12, 2005)

Program #7: Frank’s Favorite Vacation Spots (January 19, 2005)

Program #8: Frank’s Got It Covered (January 26, 2005)

Program #9: Irie...Frank’s Reggae (February 2, 2005)

Program #10: Frank By The Numbers (February 9, 2005)

Ryan

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by The old geezer
When is the last time you heard a FZ tune on the radio....& I mean a
REAL radio station, not some 50 watt college radio station.

I heard "Peaches" on WXRT recently. Kinda startling. I've heard them
play "Uncle Remus" too.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

[The old geezer]

Do they *still* listen to FZ???

[k***@yahoo.com]

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED!

I am 37. I didn't get WOIIFTM until I was probably in
my 30's. I had the CD, but the vinyl is what nailed me.
The sentiments expressed are definitely not dated and
are very applicable today. This record is definitely in
my top 10.

Kurt

[Frunobulax]

Post by The old geezer
What kid is gonna buy some cd

by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning

the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!

I think, mayhap, you need to get out of the house more often.

First of all, they're still selling Zappa CD's at most outlets (that
aren't retarded, like K-Mart, Walmart, etc) and, as you already pointed
out, Zappa's music wasn't popular even when he was still here slingin'
it out.

So the bulk of the world won't discover Zappa. We should cry? *We've*
discovered Zappa!

I (37, by the way) have loved his music since I discovered it during my
highschool years (the mid eighties, to help you keep score) and have no
plans on forgetting about it.

I play his music for my daughter (10). She likes a good portiion of it
and can even identify most of his tracks - even the orchestral ones -
within a few bars, by compositional style alone, with no prompting from
yours truly.

(this kind of freaks me out actually. She also pulls shit like asking
"Is this Tom Waits?" when she hears Ribot's traditional 'verbed out
guitar on a track. "Nope" I may have to reply -but, damn! The kid has
ears!).

The town I live in is home to plenty of teens who purchase all sorts of
"forgotten" music at the record store - King Crimson, early Eno, Syd
Barrett, FZ, etc.

But back to the supposition that Zappa will disappear, forgotten:

So what? How many other "geniuses" have been forgotten? How many other
"geniuses" never even got the chance to be recorded, published, etc.?

Will it be sad if Zappa fades from memory?
Certainly - but he had his time and he won't be the first.

Will the world explode if Zappa fades from memory?
Hardly.

Ol' Geez, I think Zappa summed it up perfectly when he said: " . . .
who gives a fuck, anyway?"

cae

NP: Drivin' You Slow and Crazy - Henry Threadgill

[The old geezer]

Duz your daughter ( now 24) still dig FZ????

[^^indifference^^]

Post by k***@yahoo.com

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED!

I am 37. I didn't get WOIIFTM until I was probably in
my 30's. I had the CD, but the vinyl is what nailed me.
The sentiments expressed are definitely not dated and
are very applicable today. This record is definitely in
my top 10.
Kurt

The mono version is up for grabs at alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.zappa by kind
indulgence of Capt. Equinox.

[Frank]

I'm 50 and downloaded this and heard it for the first time. What an
album - quite a bit depressing in places. "Normal" people are
soul-dead sleepwalkers, while acid-drenched hippies are total fools
repeating idiotic platitudes. This album is a total psychic assault on
60's America, but is definitely not dated.

Thanks to whoever uploaded this mono version....

Post by ^^indifference^^

Post by k***@yahoo.com

Post by The old geezer
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED!

I am 37. I didn't get WOIIFTM until I was probably in
my 30's. I had the CD, but the vinyl is what nailed me.
The sentiments expressed are definitely not dated and
are very applicable today. This record is definitely in
my top 10.
Kurt

The mono version is up for grabs at alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.zappa by kind
indulgence of Capt. Equinox.

[Lerch]

The original post said:
.....is that it is Sooooooooooo DATED! What kid is gonna buy some cd
by some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967???!!!

To which I reply:
The sonics of it are dated, but no more so than other
often-played-and-purchased titles from that same period, a la Jimi
Hendrix and the Beatles. The lyrical subject matter does somewhat
specifically tie itself to issues of the time, but are those issues so
time-specific that they don't have relevance today? I mean, "What's
the Ugliest Part of Your Body," isn't that a message for the ages?
Doesn't it have current-day relevance? "All your children are poor
unfortunate victims of systems beyond their control," that sounds like
something that teens today might feel. Same with "Harry, You're A
Beast." It strikes me that there are certain themes that unfortunately
are topical regardless of the time period we find ourselves in, and
this album addresses a number of them.

I dunno, I think there's other examples too, at fine and large grains.
I think you get more out of the album if you know a little about the
time, and you'll especially understand the parody bits better, but I
don't think it prevents the enjoyment of the album.

To specifically answer your question, "What kid is gonna buy some cd by
some dead guy with a funny moustach & gotee singing songs condemning
the Hippie culture of 1967," I think the answer is "intellectually
and/or musically inquisitive kids with cool parents."

[Mower B. Yard]

<snippage of an otherwise fine post>

Post by Lerch
I think the answer is "intellectually
and/or musically inquisitive kids with cool parents."

I don't think parents have so much to do with it. Maybe the genetic
material they spawned to our cranial areas.

- BAM

[The old geezer]

Try to find a K-Mart nowadaze!!

[Les Cargill]

Post by The old geezer
Try to find a K-Mart nowadaze!!

The buildings for KMart stores are bursting with asbestos.

They will sit and rot for all eternity.