FZ vs. Woodstock.....

[JYOB]

.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!! Boy, did they miss the boat on that
one! Just think how FZ could have furthered his career if they HAD appeared!
If memory serves correct, they performed in Montreal, Canada the same time
Woodstock wuz happening. That ain't too far away...they coulda helicoptered
it.

What a loss! But then, just about every move FZ made hindered his career
instead of helped it....just like the Beach Boys!!!

The old geezer

NP: Snakebite - Stan Ridgway

[Greg Henry]

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!! Boy, did they miss the boat on that
one! Just think how FZ could have furthered his career if they HAD appeared!
If memory serves correct, they performed in Montreal, Canada the same time
Woodstock wuz happening. That ain't too far away...they coulda helicoptered
it.
What a loss! But then, just about every move FZ made hindered his career
instead of helped it....just like the Beach Boys!!!
The old geezer
NP: Snakebite - Stan Ridgway

Ridgeway's great.

[Stu Mark]

Post by Greg Henry

Post by JYOB
NP: Snakebite - Stan Ridgway

Ridgeway's great.

Yeah, no shit to that... My favorite track is "Don't Box Me In" with Stewart
Copeland... I wish those two would have done an entire album together...

Stu
(who can't thing of anything clever at the moment)

NP: Now's The Time by Charlie Parker

[Dave W.]

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!! Boy, did they miss the boat on that
one! Just think how FZ could have furthered his career if they HAD
appeared! If memory serves correct, they performed in Montreal, Canada
the same time
Woodstock wuz happening. That ain't too far away...they coulda helicoptered
it.

Then they could have joined that lofty group that includes: Joan Baez,
Richie Havens, Canned Heat, Country Joe and the Fish, Ten Years After,
Jefferson Airplane, John Sebastian, Sha Na Na, and Sly and the Family
Stone.... Yeah!

Besides, he really wasn't into the hippie scene.

Post by JYOB
What a loss! But then, just about every move FZ made hindered his career
instead of helped it....just like the Beach Boys!!!

I think Frank did just fine for someone who refused to pander to radio
listeners' tastes.

Dave

[David Z]

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

[Stu Mark]

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

To take this seriously, it makes perfect sense. I can envision the scenario
where the organizers of Woodstock brought up his name and decided that,
based upon the "Flower Power sucks" remark, Frank wasn't Woodstock material.

Stu
(who is Woodstock material)

NP: Tre Nel 5000 by John Zorn

[Martin Higgs]

Post by Stu Mark

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

To take this seriously, it makes perfect sense. I can envision the scenario
where the organizers of Woodstock brought up his name and decided that,
based upon the "Flower Power sucks" remark, Frank wasn't Woodstock material.
Stu
(who is Woodstock material)

Frank should have gone to Woodstock, dropped acid and found God!

Martin.........

np: BBC Radio4 prog on the Firesign Theatre ...brief mention of FZ

[NINJA]

Post by Martin Higgs

Post by Stu Mark

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

To take this seriously, it makes perfect sense. I can envision the scenario
where the organizers of Woodstock brought up his name and decided that,
based upon the "Flower Power sucks" remark, Frank wasn't Woodstock material.
Stu
(who is Woodstock material)

Frank should have gone to Woodstock, dropped acid and found God!
Martin.........
np: BBC Radio4 prog on the Firesign Theatre ...brief mention of FZ

frank found god

be he had to pay the ultimate price to meet him
Nobody takes you seriously. Not even you

I am John Kerry.

I was against the first Iraq war. I am against the second Iraq war,
but I voted for it. Now I'm against it but I was for it. I support
the UN. I'm against terrorism and against the Iraq war. But I voted
for the Iraq war. So, I voted against the first war and supported the
second war, wait.....

I'm against gay marriage but for gay unions. I support gays but think
the San Francisco mayor is wrong. I support gay marriages. No, wait,
gay unions.

I'm Catholic. Wait, I'm Jewish. My dad was Jewish. But I was raised
Catholic. What am I? I don't want to confuse people.

I am for abortions, but wait, I'm Catholic, and Catholics are
pro-life. But I might consider putting pro-life judges in office, but
I'm not sure. I do know I voted for a pro-life judge, but I stated
that it was a mistake.

I went to Vietnam. But I was against Vietnam. I testified against
fellow U.S. Troops in Vietnam, threw my medals away and led others to
do the same. But I am a war hero. Against the war.

I stated I threw my medals away then I threw my ribbons away. I then
revealed that I threw my ribbons away but not my medals, then lately I
stated that I threw someone else's medals away and never threw
anything of mine away.

I believe Ribbons and medals aren't the same thing. Medals come with
ribbons, so now I believe that ribbons and medals are the same thing
besides the fact that ribbons are cloth and medals are medal.

I wrote a book that pictured the U.S. Flag upside-down on its cover.
But now I fly and campaign in a plane with a large flag right-side up
on it. But sometimes, we fly upside-down for fun.

Yasser Arafat is a hero and a statesman. The Israelis shouldn't kill
Palestinian terrorists, but they should stop terrorism. Yasser Arafat
is a terrorist supporter. I support Mideast peace.

I am for the common man, unlike Bush. I am against the rich. But my
family is worth $300 million dollars has a jet and many SUV's. I am
the common man.

I am against sending jobs overseas. My wife is a Heinz heir, which
Heinz has most factories offshore. I am against rewarding companies
for exporting jobs as long as it is not Heinz.

I own $1 million in Wal-Mart stock. I believe Wal-Mart is evil by
driving small business owners out of town. I am a capitalist and I
own part of Wal-Mart but I am a good guy for small corporate America.

I own SUV's when I talk to my followers in Detroit, Michigan.
They're "family" SUV's belonging to my wife Teresa, when I talk to
tree hugging followers. I have a campaign jet that gets 1/3 mpg,
which is great fuel efficiency.

I am against making military service an issue in presidential
elections. I defended a draft dodger Clinton and stated that all
serve in their own capacity whether they draft dodge or not. Did I
mention, I served in Vietnam and am a hero? Are you questioning my
patriotism? I served in Vietnam. My opponent didn't. I have three
purple hearts! I am a hero. I am qualified to run this country since
I served.

I am John Kerry.

[Elvis Zappa]

sorry to say but I would think Frank went to Hell.......

"NINJA" <***@SWORD.EDG> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

frank found god

be he had to pay the ultimate price to meet him

[Frunobulax]

Post by Elvis Zappa
sorry to say but I would think Frank went to Hell.......

France?


really and for true,

cae

http://www.coreyshead.com

[Sam Rouse]

Post by Stu Mark

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

To take this seriously, it makes perfect sense. I can envision the scenario
where the organizers of Woodstock brought up his name and decided that,
based upon the "Flower Power sucks" remark, Frank wasn't Woodstock material.
Stu
(who is Woodstock material)

I can't imagine Frank in a sea of mud and trendy chemical amusement aids.

Sam
(who was once Woodstock material, but is now more of a Bonnaroo sorta guy)

[NINJA]

Post by Sam Rouse

Post by Stu Mark

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

To take this seriously, it makes perfect sense. I can envision the scenario
where the organizers of Woodstock brought up his name and decided that,
based upon the "Flower Power sucks" remark, Frank wasn't Woodstock material.
Stu
(who is Woodstock material)

I can't imagine Frank in a sea of mud and trendy chemical amusement aids.
Sam
(who was once Woodstock material, but is now more of a Bonnaroo sorta guy)

I CAN

IS THAT NOT WHAT HE WAS WRING SONGS ABOUT ?

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

Sam Rouse wrote:

<< I can't imagine Frank in a sea of mud and trendy chemical amusement aids. >>

It's not like he didn't play at other big festivals.

Your pal,
Biffy
--
I'm Biffy the Elephant Shrew and I disavow all knowledge of this message.

[The old geezer]

Oh! B.S. !!!!!

[Greg Henry]

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

He would've done Who Needs The Peace Corps and they all would have gone
into bad trips.

I love mythbusting and one of my favorite targets are misty-eyed
hippies. I showed a bunch of hippie-wannabes this documentary about
Woodstock with the emphasis about how it all was put together and the
consequences for the people who got stuck with the bills from all that
'free love' that went on there. One of the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front. So they had to send a guy on a
motorcycle through the woods into a nearby town to get the cash. He rode
back, alone, through the woods on this dirt bike with a duffle bag full
of cash back to the concert site. I can't remember the exact amount.

Funny shit.

[JYOB]

Post by Greg Henry
the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front....

Hey, Greg...why not post this in the GD newsgroup!

The old geezer

[NINJA]

Post by JYOB

Post by Greg Henry
the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front....

Hey, Greg...why not post this in the GD newsgroup!
The old geezer

they cant read !

[Greg Henry]

Post by NINJA

Post by JYOB

Post by Greg Henry
the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front....

Hey, Greg...why not post this in the GD newsgroup!
The old geezer

they cant read !

Denial is their whole life. They'd refuse to believe it. Probably too
stoned to understand it. I always thought that the ol' noodle dance was
rather comical though.

[Michael Google]

Post by Greg Henry
the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front....

That was The Who that did that.

[Pat D]

Post by Greg Henry

Post by David Z

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!!

Flower power sucks?

He would've done Who Needs The Peace Corps and they all would have gone
into bad trips.
I love mythbusting and one of my favorite targets are misty-eyed
hippies. I showed a bunch of hippie-wannabes this documentary about
Woodstock with the emphasis about how it all was put together and the
consequences for the people who got stuck with the bills from all that
'free love' that went on there. One of the principle investers told this
great story about how the Grateful Dead, the ultimate symbol of
hippiedom, saw what was going on and decided that free love was great,
as long as THEY weren't free, so they refused to go on stage until they
were paid in cash in full up front. So they had to send a guy on a
motorcycle through the woods into a nearby town to get the cash. He rode
back, alone, through the woods on this dirt bike with a duffle bag full
of cash back to the concert site. I can't remember the exact amount.
Funny shit.

Or how if fans wanted to meet Jerry Garcia backstage, they would have
to present him with free cocaine, this according to a tour manager of
the Dead.
"Yeah, yeah, thanks a lot. Now where's that coke?"

[Todd Tamanend Clark]

Why weren't The Mothers Of Invention at Woodstock?

None of these prominent American artists active at the time performed
at the August 15-18, 1969 Woodstock Music And Art Fair:

Albert Ayler
Alice Cooper
Aorta
Blood Sweat And Tears
Blue Cheer
Bob Dylan
Bob Seger
Bubble Puppy
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Captain Beefheart
Cecil Taylor
Chicago
Coven
Elvis Presley
Herbie Hancock
Ike And Tina Turner
Iron Butterfly
Janis Ian
Joe South
Johnny Cash
Johnny Rivers
Leonard Cohen
Lothar And The Hand People
Love
Miles Davis
Moby Grape
Mother Earth
Nina Simone
Ornette Coleman
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Quicksilver Messenger Service
Roland Kirk
Rotary Connection
Silver Apples
Spirit
SRC
Stevie Wonder
Sun Ra
The Amboy Dukes
The Association
The Beach Boys
The Box Tops
The Byrds
The Chambers Brothers
The Doors
The Electric Prunes
The Fifth Dimension
The First Edition
The Flamin' Groovies
The Fugs
The Guess Who
The Hello People
The MC5
The Mind Garage
The Mothers Of Invention
The Nazz
The Rascals
The Sir Douglas Quintet
The Steve Miller Band
The Stooges
The Temptations
The Turtles
The Velvet Underground
The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band
Tim Buckley
Tommy James And The Shondells
Tony Williams
Ultimate Spinach
Vanilla Fudge

- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Endorsement Artist For Moog Synthesizers
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2

- - - -
"The total statement of rock music and its audience is revolutionary.
Long hair, for example, is an upfront revolutionary statement."
- - Ray Manzarek

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
None of these prominent American artists active at the time performed
[snip]
Blood Sweat And Tears

Blood, Sweat & Tears did perform at Woodstock.


Your pal,
Biffy
--
I'm Biffy the Elephant Shrew and I disavow all knowledge of this message.

[NINJA]

Post by Biffy the Elephant Shrew

Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
None of these prominent American artists active at the time performed
[snip]
Blood Sweat And Tears

Blood, Sweat & Tears did perform at Woodstock.
Your pal,
Biffy

yes and it was a rock concert so 86 those jazz acts
Nobody takes you seriously. Not even you

I am John Kerry.

I was against the first Iraq war. I am against the second Iraq war,
but I voted for it. Now I'm against it but I was for it. I support
the UN. I'm against terrorism and against the Iraq war. But I voted
for the Iraq war. So, I voted against the first war and supported the
second war, wait.....

I'm against gay marriage but for gay unions. I support gays but think
the San Francisco mayor is wrong. I support gay marriages. No, wait,
gay unions.

I'm Catholic. Wait, I'm Jewish. My dad was Jewish. But I was raised
Catholic. What am I? I don't want to confuse people.

I am for abortions, but wait, I'm Catholic, and Catholics are
pro-life. But I might consider putting pro-life judges in office, but
I'm not sure. I do know I voted for a pro-life judge, but I stated
that it was a mistake.

I went to Vietnam. But I was against Vietnam. I testified against
fellow U.S. Troops in Vietnam, threw my medals away and led others to
do the same. But I am a war hero. Against the war.

I stated I threw my medals away then I threw my ribbons away. I then
revealed that I threw my ribbons away but not my medals, then lately I
stated that I threw someone else's medals away and never threw
anything of mine away.

I believe Ribbons and medals aren't the same thing. Medals come with
ribbons, so now I believe that ribbons and medals are the same thing
besides the fact that ribbons are cloth and medals are medal.

I wrote a book that pictured the U.S. Flag upside-down on its cover.
But now I fly and campaign in a plane with a large flag right-side up
on it. But sometimes, we fly upside-down for fun.

Yasser Arafat is a hero and a statesman. The Israelis shouldn't kill
Palestinian terrorists, but they should stop terrorism. Yasser Arafat
is a terrorist supporter. I support Mideast peace.

I am for the common man, unlike Bush. I am against the rich. But my
family is worth $300 million dollars has a jet and many SUV's. I am
the common man.

I am against sending jobs overseas. My wife is a Heinz heir, which
Heinz has most factories offshore. I am against rewarding companies
for exporting jobs as long as it is not Heinz.

I own $1 million in Wal-Mart stock. I believe Wal-Mart is evil by
driving small business owners out of town. I am a capitalist and I
own part of Wal-Mart but I am a good guy for small corporate America.

I own SUV's when I talk to my followers in Detroit, Michigan.
They're "family" SUV's belonging to my wife Teresa, when I talk to
tree hugging followers. I have a campaign jet that gets 1/3 mpg,
which is great fuel efficiency.

I am against making military service an issue in presidential
elections. I defended a draft dodger Clinton and stated that all
serve in their own capacity whether they draft dodge or not. Did I
mention, I served in Vietnam and am a hero? Are you questioning my
patriotism? I served in Vietnam. My opponent didn't. I have three
purple hearts! I am a hero. I am qualified to run this country since
I served.

I am John Kerry.

[JYOB]

Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Bubble Puppy

Hot Smoke & Sassafrass!!!!!

TOG

[Dave W.]

Post by Todd Tamanend Clark

Why weren't The Mothers Of Invention at Woodstock?

None of these prominent American artists active at the time performed

You forgot one:
The Beatles !!!!!!!!!!

[MvD]

Post by Dave W.

Post by Todd Tamanend Clark

Why weren't The Mothers Of Invention at Woodstock?

None of these prominent American artists active at the time performed

The Beatles !!!!!!!!!!

they had broken up and they were not from America

[-Hades-]

Now watching Woodstock on German TV.
NP: I'm going home by hellacopter 35 Years After

Harry

Post by JYOB
.....Why weren't the MOI at Woodstock!! Boy, did they miss the boat on that
one! Just think how FZ could have furthered his career if they HAD appeared!
If memory serves correct, they performed in Montreal, Canada the same time
Woodstock wuz happening. That ain't too far away...they coulda helicoptered
it.
What a loss! But then, just about every move FZ made hindered his career
instead of helped it....just like the Beach Boys!!!
The old geezer
NP: Snakebite - Stan Ridgway

[Jim is CNC]

Frank said he was asked to perform at Woodstock, but he wasnt into it and
declined. I think woodstock was pretty vlose to the time he broke up the
original MOI?

[Marston Moor]

Group: alt.fan.frank-zappa Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 12:33am (EDT+4)
From: ***@aol.com (Jim=A0is=A0CNC)
Frank said he was asked to perform at Woodstock, but he wasnt into it
and declined. I think woodstock was pretty vlose to the time he broke up
the original MOI?

- - - - Is that 100% factual?

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[Dave Wilcher]

Post by Marston Moor
Group: alt.fan.frank-zappa Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 12:33am (EDT+4)
Frank said he was asked to perform at Woodstock, but he wasnt into it
and declined. I think woodstock was pretty vlose to the time he broke
up the original MOI?
- - - - Is that 100% factual?

No, sorry. It's only 82.3% factual.

dave

[Pat Buzby]

Post by Jim is CNC
Frank said he was asked to perform at Woodstock, but he wasnt into it and
declined. I think woodstock was pretty vlose to the time he broke up the
original MOI?

According to Charles Ulrich's gig list
<www.members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/1969.html>, the MOI were
performing in Canada between August 13 and 19, 1969. Those were their
final documented performances.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

[JYOB]

Post by Pat Buzby
the MOI were
performing in Canada between August 13 and 19, 1969. Those were their
final documented performance

Think of how Woodstock might have rejuvenated the MOI career! FZ might have
never disbanded them!!!
We'll never know.............

The old geezer

[Steve Brooks]

Post by JYOB

(Pat Buzby)
the MOI were
performing in Canada between August 13 and 19, 1969. Those were
their final documented performance

Think of how Woodstock might have rejuvenated the MOI career! FZ
might have never disbanded them!!!

I can't see that. AIUI Frank disbanded the MOI in part because they weren't
up to playing the music he wanted to write. At least that was how - IIRC -
JCB described it in an interview I saw some years ago. If Frank had cared a
lot about having a lucrative career I'm sure he could have put together a
little rock band which would have generated plenty of cash and still spent 6
months a year pursuing his more ambitious ideas.

Post by JYOB
We'll never know.............

Don't waste time pondering the might-have-beens. ;-)