Discussion:
5 musicians you wish were still alive....
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JYOB
2003-08-20 14:50:54 UTC
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Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann

The old geezer
Frunobulax
2003-08-20 15:25:26 UTC
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Frank Zappa
Django Reinhardt
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Erik Satie
Charles Mingus



really and for true,

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Jakob Sandøy
2003-08-20 16:50:02 UTC
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Frank Zappa
Snakefinger
Miles Davis
Eric Dolphy
Anton Webern
kill filter
2003-08-20 16:45:19 UTC
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zappa

kirk

davis

coltrane

mingus


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spaceseed
2003-08-20 17:10:24 UTC
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Frank Zappa
Jimi Hendrix
Kurt Cobain
Miles Davis
Jerry Garcia
Hanzo
2003-08-24 22:10:04 UTC
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Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.

Hanzo
Charles Ulrich
2003-08-24 22:37:40 UTC
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Post by new.brown.clouds
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Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Pythagoras on triangle, of course.
Martin Gregorie
2003-09-02 16:03:45 UTC
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Post by new.brown.clouds
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Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Hanzo
Hey, Aristotle played the bottle. He was a bugger for it.

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Laughing Mushrooms
2003-09-02 16:23:50 UTC
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Post by Hanzo
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
Beethoven on Orchestra.....


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Patrick Neve
2003-09-02 21:27:58 UTC
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Post by new.brown.clouds
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Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Pythagoras was a singer, and he also played the kithara, which is sort of
a 7-stringed lyre. (I believe this was several years before the invention
of the 7-string electric guitar). He's also credited with discovering the
fourth, fifth, and octave intervals. Thanks, Py!

Terpander was a famous singer from the island of Lesbos. (don't laugh.)
He also played the kithara, which he is actually credited with inventing.
He won some sort of medal for his kithara playing at the 26th Olympic
competition in Sparta. Imagine that, music as an olympic sport!

I'm not exactly sure which instruments Pindar played, but during his time
of flourish (6th century BCE), one of the primary instruments was the
Aulos, a type of oboe associated with the cult of Dionysus. And since
Pindar invented the form of the classical ode for choral music, it's safe
to say he could probably hum a few bars himself.

Aristotle played a variety of things, including devil's advocate. He also
established a number of modes, such as Dorian, Phrygian, and FZ's favorite
Mixolydian.

I'm also not too clear upon which instruments Aristoxenes kicked the most
ass, but he's considered to be an innovator of scale, harmony and rhythm.
He was the first to base theory of analysis on musical practice, and he
subdivided rhythm as a tripartite.

So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).

Hope that clears things up.
-Patrick
I am glad Frank Zappa is dead and I hope he is rotting in Hell with Dean Martin
2003-09-03 07:16:33 UTC
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Post by new.brown.clouds
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Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Pythagoras was a singer, and he also played the kithara, which is sort of
a 7-stringed lyre. (I believe this was several years before the invention
of the 7-string electric guitar). He's also credited with discovering the
fourth, fifth, and octave intervals. Thanks, Py!
Terpander was a famous singer from the island of Lesbos. (don't laugh.)
He also played the kithara, which he is actually credited with inventing.
He won some sort of medal for his kithara playing at the 26th Olympic
competition in Sparta. Imagine that, music as an olympic sport!
I'm not exactly sure which instruments Pindar played, but during his time
of flourish (6th century BCE), one of the primary instruments was the
Aulos, a type of oboe associated with the cult of Dionysus. And since
Pindar invented the form of the classical ode for choral music, it's safe
to say he could probably hum a few bars himself.
Aristotle played a variety of things, including devil's advocate. He also
established a number of modes, such as Dorian, Phrygian, and FZ's favorite
Mixolydian.
I'm also not too clear upon which instruments Aristoxenes kicked the most
ass, but he's considered to be an innovator of scale, harmony and rhythm.
He was the first to base theory of analysis on musical practice, and he
subdivided rhythm as a tripartite.
So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).
Hope that clears things up.
-Patrick
Boring.
Mark Steven Brooks
2003-09-03 12:50:05 UTC
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<< Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
Post by Patrick Neve
Post by Hanzo
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Pythagoras was a singer, and he also played the kithara, which is sort of
a 7-stringed lyre. (I believe this was several years before the invention
of the 7-string electric guitar). He's also credited with discovering the
fourth, fifth, and octave intervals. Thanks, Py!
Terpander was a famous singer from the island of Lesbos. (don't laugh.)
He also played the kithara, which he is actually credited with inventing.
He won some sort of medal for his kithara playing at the 26th Olympic
competition in Sparta. Imagine that, music as an olympic sport!
I'm not exactly sure which instruments Pindar played, but during his time
of flourish (6th century BCE), one of the primary instruments was the
Aulos, a type of oboe associated with the cult of Dionysus. And since
Pindar invented the form of the classical ode for choral music, it's safe
to say he could probably hum a few bars himself.
Aristotle played a variety of things, including devil's advocate. He also
established a number of modes, such as Dorian, Phrygian, and FZ's favorite
Mixolydian.
I'm also not too clear upon which instruments Aristoxenes kicked the most
ass, but he's considered to be an innovator of scale, harmony and rhythm.
He was the first to base theory of analysis on musical practice, and he
subdivided rhythm as a tripartite.
So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).
Hope that clears things up.
-Patrick
Boring. >>

Really? I found that quite interesting.



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MyDaydream
2003-09-03 15:25:41 UTC
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<<<Really? I found that quite interesting.>>>

Me too, thanks patrick.

Makes me wanna go enroll in some music history classes.
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Bil Hansen
2003-09-04 02:41:51 UTC
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"MyDaydream"wrote ...
Post by MyDaydream
<<<Really? I found that quite interesting.>>>
Me too, thanks patrick.
Me three. Thanks Patrick for a valuable and thought-provoking post.

One of my thoughts followed from your conclusion (ie
Post by MyDaydream
So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).
)
and went along the lines of :
1) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have had African
rhythm-centred music?
2) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have Indian ragas? but
would Indian music have developed to the Anoushka Shankar level?
3) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have sublime
Chinese/Korean/Japanese classical music?

Cheers

Bil
Patrick Neve
2003-09-05 06:03:08 UTC
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Post by Bil Hansen
"MyDaydream"wrote ...
Post by MyDaydream
<<<Really? I found that quite interesting.>>>
Me too, thanks patrick.
Me three. Thanks Patrick for a valuable and thought-provoking post.
One of my thoughts followed from your conclusion (ie
Post by MyDaydream
So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).
)
1) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have had African
rhythm-centred music?
2) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have Indian ragas? but
would Indian music have developed to the Anoushka Shankar level?
3) without Pythagoras et al., would we not still have sublime
Chinese/Korean/Japanese classical music?
Of course. I think the greeks just took better notes.
Hanzo
2003-09-04 09:47:37 UTC
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Post by Patrick Neve
Post by new.brown.clouds
In article
Pythagoras
Terpander
Pindar
Aristotle
Aristoxenes
Can you tell us their preferred instruments Patrick?
I guess it was Aristotle on Bass but I forgot about the other guys.
Pythagoras was a singer, and he also played the kithara, which is sort of
a 7-stringed lyre. (I believe this was several years before the invention
of the 7-string electric guitar). He's also credited with discovering the
fourth, fifth, and octave intervals. Thanks, Py!
Terpander was a famous singer from the island of Lesbos. (don't laugh.)
He also played the kithara, which he is actually credited with inventing.
He won some sort of medal for his kithara playing at the 26th Olympic
competition in Sparta. Imagine that, music as an olympic sport!
I'm not exactly sure which instruments Pindar played, but during his time
of flourish (6th century BCE), one of the primary instruments was the
Aulos, a type of oboe associated with the cult of Dionysus. And since
Pindar invented the form of the classical ode for choral music, it's safe
to say he could probably hum a few bars himself.
Aristotle played a variety of things, including devil's advocate. He also
established a number of modes, such as Dorian, Phrygian, and FZ's favorite
Mixolydian.
I'm also not too clear upon which instruments Aristoxenes kicked the most
ass, but he's considered to be an innovator of scale, harmony and rhythm.
He was the first to base theory of analysis on musical practice, and he
subdivided rhythm as a tripartite.
So while I have no idea how these guys ranked in terms of chops, I think
we owe enough of our musical environment to them that it would be
interesting if they could be transported through time to the present day
so they could comment on how things have evolved. (or devolved).
Hope that clears things up.
-Patrick
Very enlightning Patrick
Charles Ulrich
2003-08-20 18:25:49 UTC
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Post by JYOB
Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann
They need a bass player. (Well, maybe Jim doesn't.)
DeAngelo Family
2003-08-20 19:25:39 UTC
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Frank Zappa
Roy Orbison
John Lennon
Jerry Garcia
Laura Nyro
Dave Wilcher
2003-08-20 22:01:49 UTC
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Post by JYOB
Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann
Whay about Zoogz Rift?

dave
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Bill
2003-08-20 22:56:25 UTC
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Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann
The old geezer
Frank Zappa
Miles Davis
John Lennon
George Harrison
John Bonham
I am glad Frank Zappa is dead and I hope he is rotting in Hell with Dean Martin
2003-08-21 04:53:13 UTC
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Post by JYOB
Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann
The old geezer
Frank Zappa
Miles Davis
John Lennon
George Harrison
John Bonham
john lennon

george harrison

keith moon

john entwhistle

ernest tubb


"SUBTLETY IS NOT MY SPECIALTY"


Ninja , General Retard and AFFZ veteran


I PREFER KICKING ASS TO KISSING ASS


A.F.F.Z. , ENTERTAIN YOUR BRAIN


step away from the crack pipe man,
you'll thank me later


DOPE, you are what you use


USENET you are what you post


ARE YOU A ZAPPAQUEER
WELL ARE YOU PUNK
new.brown.clouds
2003-08-21 14:49:20 UTC
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In article <***@posting.google.com>, I am glad
Frank Zappa is dead and I hope he is rotting in Hell with Dean Martin
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john lennon
george harrison
keith moon
john entwhistle
ernest tubb
Now *that* would be an awesome band to see.
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John Henley
2003-08-21 18:03:09 UTC
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Post by new.brown.clouds
Post by I am glad Frank Zappa is dead and I hope he is rotting in Hell with Dean Martin
john lennon
george harrison
keith moon
john entwhistle
ernest tubb
Now *that* would be an awesome band to see.
Presumably Ernest would be the frontman handling
all vocals. Yes, that would be impressive.


John Henley
Hasi
2003-08-21 13:22:40 UTC
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Frank Zappa
Jerry Garcia
Syd Barrett (he's not really alive, isn't he?)
Nico
Allen Woody



Hasi
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Dildo Police!
How many got in there?"

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Mark Steven Brooks
2003-08-21 17:21:36 UTC
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Zappa
Lennon
Harrison
Hendrix
Ochs
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Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
2003-08-21 21:08:29 UTC
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Micheal Hedges
What a way to go.

Hedges was amazing. Saw him play live two years before he kicked. He
opened his show with what he referred to as "violent acoustic guitar."

Very apt description. Eddie Van Halen couldn't have topped
him with Spinal Tap's amps. Absolutely jaw-dropping performance.
JJubala
2003-08-27 01:37:01 UTC
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Micheal Hedges
What a way to go.
Hedges was amazing. Saw him play live two years before he kicked. He
opened his show with what he referred to as "violent acoustic guitar."
Very apt description. Eddie Van Halen couldn't have topped
him with Spinal Tap's amps. Absolutely jaw-dropping performance.
I was waiting for Hedges!!! Jaw-dropping is an excellent way to describe him.
He reportedly did a solo acoustic guitar version of "Sofa" for Frank before
Frank died. Never recorded it as far as I know.

Now if we could just squeeze Jaco Pastorius in there....

Jack
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"The strenuous life tastes better." -William James
Frunobulax
2003-08-27 01:48:43 UTC
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Sofa 1 was released on Hedges Beyond Boundaries: Guitar Solos


really and for true,

cae

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heracleum m
2003-08-29 23:25:08 UTC
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Post by Frunobulax
Sofa 1 was released on Hedges Beyond Boundaries: Guitar Solos
Also on Hedge's album "Oracle". There is an absolutely accurate tab of the
Hedges guitar arrangement at
http://www.oliver-waitze.de/downloads/sofa%20no%20one%20hedges.pdf, well
worth checking out for you guitar players out there.
John Henley
2003-08-29 14:57:01 UTC
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Post by JJubala
He reportedly did a solo acoustic guitar version of "Sofa" for Frank before
Frank died. Never recorded it as far as I know.
Did. Go to http://www.zappa.com/spifnificent.html
Click on "Of Consequence" then "In memory of Michael
Hedges" and you'll find the sound file there.

JH
JJubala
2003-08-30 00:16:45 UTC
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Thank you all for the Hedges/Sofa info! Great news!

Jack
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"The strenuous life tastes better." -William James
Garron Teed
2003-08-30 04:17:46 UTC
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FZ, James Jamerson, Buddy Holly, Duane Allman, Jeff Buckley.
John Henley
2003-09-02 14:42:10 UTC
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Post by Garron Teed
James Jamerson
Yes indeedy - great choice.

JH
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-08-21 19:29:45 UTC
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"the old geezer/jyob" implored us to name five deceased
musicians we wish were still alive:

Therefore, I hereby nominate for resurrection:

Frank Zappa
Jim Morrison
Jimi Hendrix
Sun Ra
Miles Davis

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Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
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Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

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"By the creative act, however, we are able to reach beyond
our own death. This is why creativity is so important and
why we need to confront the problem of the relationship
between creativity and death."
- - Rollo May
Batpuller
2015-05-26 19:05:10 UTC
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Post by JYOB
Frank (of course)
Dennis Wilson
Jim Morrison
Jerry Garcia
Herbie Mann
The old geezer
Jimmy Durante...uh...President Bono...uh...thats all I can think of now , let me get back to you on this.
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